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ATLANTA CHILD MURDERS - Was Wayne Williams Railroaded? Why! REISSUED 6/20/09
Originally published on July 13-July 14, 2005 @ http://tabacco.myblogsite.com/
ATLANTA CHILD
MURDERS - Was
Wayne Williams
Railroaded? Why!
UPDATE
Originally published July 13, 2005
Reissued June 20, 2009 (H: 6,778, C: 21, 15 published) Tabacco reissues this Post with today's date because it is one of the most commented on Posts ever. I just replied to a Comment today, but voided the Comment itself (from Jeff) because it was worthless.
Excerpt:
Wayne Williams was never indicted nor convicted of murdering any children, despite what the promo for this production implies... He was convicted of killing two adult males..but not one child!..The murderers were KKK whites, not Wayne Williams..Biography Channel tonite (July 13, 2005) 9pm/1am
"The Atlanta Child Murders" airs tonight on the Biography Channel at 9pm and again at 1am EST. I've seen the 2000 docudrama based on fact, "Who Killed Atlanta's Children", with Gregory Hines and James Belushi. I do not have time, nor have I done the research to publish a complete article before tonight's showing. I can say that Wayne Williams was never indicted nor convicted of murdering any children, despite what the promo for this production implies. He was convicted of killing two adult males in 1982, allegedly his male lovers, but not one child! Why not? The murderers were KKK whites, not Wayne Williams. I'll go on record with that opinion. This article will be updated in the next few days. I'll be watching the telecast tonight along with the rest of you.
Originally published July 14, 2005
UPDATE July 14, 2005
I watched "The Atlanta Child Murders" on the Biography Channel. Basically, it presented both sides and drew no final conclusion. However, the evidence was entirely circumstantial, the jury convicted Wayne Williams of killing two adult males, not children, and then, not because of fiber evidence, but because Wayne Williams exposed his anger in court. Let me recap the events.
The reign of terror in Atlanta, GA, labeled as "The Atlanta Child Murders" took place from 1979 to 1981. Wayne Williams, 23 at the time, was convicted in February, 1982. Williams was blamed for 23 of 30 official homicides although he was only tried for two: 27-year-old Nathaniel Cater and 21-year-old Jimmy Ray Payne.
Investigation of the case began officially on July 28, 1979. That afternoon, a woman, hunting empty cans and bottles in Atlanta, stumbled on a pair of corpses, carelessly concealed in roadside undergrowth. One victim, shot with a .22-caliber weapon, was identified as 14-year-old Edward Smith, reported missing on July 21. The other was 13-year-old Alfred Evans, last seen alive on July 25; the coroner ascribed his death to "probable" asphyxiation. Both dead boys, like all of those to come, were African-American.
OFFICIAL MURDER VICTIMS LIST:
1- 14-year-old Edward Smith, reported missing on July 21; found July 28, 1979; shot with .22-caliber
2- 13-year-old Alfred Evans, last seen alive on July 25; found July 28, 1979; death ascribed to "probable" asphyxiation
3- September 4, Milton Harvey, age 14, vanished during a neighborhood bike ride. His body was recovered three weeks later, but the cause of death remains officially "unknown"
4- Yusef Bell, nine, was last seen alive when his mother sent him to the store on October 21. Found dead in an abandoned school November 8, he had been manually strangled by a powerful assailant
5- Angel Lenair, age 12, was the first recognized victim of 1980. Reported missing on March 4, she was found six days later, tied to a tree with her hands bound behind her. The first female victim, she had been sexually abused and strangled; someone else's panties were extracted from her throat.
(How does the black homosexual theory fit this 12-year-old girl? Not very well!)
6- On March 11, Jeffrey Mathis vanished on an errand to the store. Eleven months would pass before recovery of his skeletal remains, advanced decomposition ruling out a declaration on the cause of death.
7- On May 18, 14-year-old Eric Middlebrooks left home after receiving a phone call from persons unknown. Found the next day, his death blamed on head injuries, inflicted with a blunt instrument
8- On June 9, Christopher Richardson, 12, vanished en route to a neighborhood swimming pool
9- Latonya Wilson was abducted from her home on June 22, the night before her seventh birthday, bringing Federal agents into the case
10- The following day, 10-year-old Aaron Wyche was reported missing by his family. Searchers found his body on June 24, lying beneath a railroad trestle, his neck broken. Originally dubbed an accident, Aaron's death was subsequently added to the growing list of dead and missing blacks
11- Anthony Carter, age 9, disappeared while playing near his home on July 6, 1980; recovered the following day, he was dead from multiple stab wounds.
12- Earl Terrell joined the list on July 30, when he vanished from a public swimming pool. Skeletal remains discovered on January 9, 1981, would yield no clues about the cause of death
13- 12-year-old Clifford Jones, snatched off the street and strangled on August 20. With the recovery of his body in October, homicide detectives interviewed five witnesses who named his killer as a white man, later jailed in 1981 on charges of attempted rape and sodomy. Those witnesses provided details of the crime consistent with the placement and condition of the victim's body, but detectives chose to ignore their sworn statements, listing Jones with other victims of the "unknown" murderer
14- Darren Glass, 11-year-old, vanished near his home on September 14, 1980. Never found, he joins the list primarily because authorities don't know what else to do with his case
15- October's victim was Charles Stephens, reported missing on the 9th and recovered the next day, his life extinguished by asphyxiation
9- Capping off the month, authorities discovered skeletal remains of Latonya Wilson on October 18, but they could not determine how she died
16- On November 1, nine-year-old Aaron Jackson's disappearance was reported to police by frantic parents. The boy was found on November 2, another victim of asphyxiation.
17- Patrick Rogers, 15, followed on November 10. His pitiful remains, skull crushed by heavy blows, were not unearthed until February 1981
18- Two days after New Year's, the elusive slayer picked off Lubie Geter, strangling the 14-year-old and dumping his body where it would not be found until February 5
19- Terry Pue, 15, went missing on January 22 and was found the next day, strangled with a cord or piece of rope. This time, detectives said that special chemicals enabled them to lift a suspect's fingerprints from Terry's corpse. Unfortunately, they were not on file with any law enforcement agency in the United States
(Obviously, they weren't Wayne Williams' prints. Why didn't they check Charles Sanders' prints?)
20- Patrick Baltazar, age 12, disappeared on February 6. His body was found a week later, marked by ligature strangulation, and the skeletal remains of Jeffrey Mathis (No 6) were discovered nearby
21- 13-year-old Curtis Walker was strangled on February 19 and found the same day.
22- Joseph Bell, 16, was asphyxiated on March 2
23- Timothy Hill, on March 11, was recorded as a drowning victim
24- On March 30, Atlanta police added their first adult victim to the list of murdered children. He was Larry Rogers, 20, linked with younger victims by the fact that he had been asphyxiated.
25- No cause of death was determined for a second adult victim, 21-year-old Eddie Duncan, but he made the list anyway, when his body was found on March 31
26- On April 1, ex-convict Michael McIntosh, age 23, was added to the roster on grounds that he, too, had been asphyxiated
(Nos 24, 25, 26 are all out-of-character. Did they ever consider possibility of copycat murders?)
By April 1981, it seemed apparent that the "child murders" case was getting out of hand. Community critics denounced the official victims list as incomplete and arbitrary, citing cases like the January 1981 murder of Faye Yearby to prove their point. Like "official" victim Angel Lenair (No 5), Yearby was bound to a tree by her killer, hands behind her back; she had been stabbed to death, like four acknowledged victims on the list. Despite those similarities, police rejected Yearby's case on grounds that (a) she was a female - as were Wilson (No 9) and Lenair (No 5) - and (b) that she was "too old" at age 22, although the last acknowledged victim had been 23. Author Dave Dettlinger, examining police malfeasance in the case, suggests that 63 potential "pattern" victims were capriciously omitted from the "official" roster, 25 of them after a suspect's arrest supposedly ended the killing.
In April 1981, FBI spokesmen declared that several of the crimes were "substantially solved," outraging blacks with suggestions that some of the dead had been slain by their own parents. While that storm was raging, Roy Innis, leader of the Congress of Racial Equality, went public with the story of a female witness who described the murders as the actions of a cult involved with drugs, pornography, and Satanism. Innis led searchers to an apparent ritual site, complete with large inverted crosses, and his witness passed two polygraph examinations, but by that time police had focused their attention on another suspect, narrowing their scrutiny to the exclusion of all other possibilities.
27- On April 21, Jimmy Payne, a 21-year-old ex-convict, was reported missing in Atlanta. Six days later, when his body was recovered, death was publicly attributed to suffocation, and his name was added to the list of murdered "children"
28- William Barrett, 17, went missing May 11; he was found the next day, asphyxiation victim
Several bodies had, by now, been pulled from local rivers, and police were staking out the waterways by night. In the predawn hours of May 22, a rookie officer stationed under a bridge on the Chattahoochee River reported hearing "a splash" in the water nearby. Above him, a car rumbled past, and officers manning the bridge were alerted. Police and FBI agents halted a vehicle driven by Wayne Bertram Williams, a black man, and spent two hours grilling him and searching his car, before they let him go.
29- On May 24, the corpse of Nathaniel Cater, a 27-year-old convicted felon, was fished out of the river downstream. Authorities put two and two together and focused their probe on Wayne Williams
From the start, he made a most unlikely suspect. The only child of two Atlanta schoolteachers, Williams still lived with his parents at age 23. A college dropout, he cherished ambitions of earning fame and fortune as a music promoter. In younger days, he had constructed a working radio station in the basement of the family home.
On June 21, Williams was arrested and charged with the murder of Nathaniel Cater (No 29), despite testimony from four witnesses who reported seeing Cater alive on May 22 and 23, after the infamous "splash." On July 17, Williams was indicted for killing two adults - Cater and Payne (No 27) - while newspapers trumpeted the capture of Atlanta's "child killer".
At his trial, beginning in December 1981, the prosecution painted Williams as a violent homosexual and bigot, so disgusted with his own race that he hoped to wipe out future generations by killing black children before they could breed. One witness testified that he saw Williams holding hands with Nathaniel Cater (No 29) on May 21, a few hours before "the splash." Another, 15 years old, told the courts that Williams had paid him two dollars for the privilege of fondling his genitals.
30- Along the way, authorities announced the addition of a final victim, 28-year-old John Porter, to the list of victims
(Give me a break! Why no 56 year olds? Remember, Wayne Williams is now 23.)
The defense attorney tried to balance the scales with testimony from a woman who admitted having "normal sex" with Williams, but the prosecution won a crucial point when the presiding judge admitted testimony on 10 other deaths from the "child murders" list, designed to prove a pattern in the slayings. One of those admitted was the case of Terry Pue (No 19), but neither side had anything to say about the fingerprints allegedly recovered from his corpse in January 1981.
The most impressive evidence of guilt was offered by a team of scientific experts, dealing with assorted hairs and fibers found on certain victims. Testimony indicated that some fibers from a brand of carpet found inside the Williams' home (and many other homes, as well) had been identified on several bodies. Further, victims Middlebrooks (No 7), Wyche (No 10), Cater (No 29), Terrell (No 12), Jones (No 13), and Stephens (No 15) all supposedly bore fibers from the trunk liner of 1979 Ford automobile owned by the Williams family. The clothes of victim Stephens (No 15) also allegedly yielded fibers from a second car - a 1970 Chevrolet - owned by Wayne's parents. Curiously, jurors were not informed of multiple eyewitness testimony naming a different suspect in the Jones (No 13) case, nor were they advised of a critical gap in the prosecution's fiber evidence.
Specifically, Wayne Williams had no access to the vehicles in question at the times when three of the six "fiber" victims were killed. Wayne's father took the Ford in for repairs at 9:00A.M. on July 30, 1980, nearly five hours before Earl Terrell (No 12) vanished that afternoon. Terrell was long dead before Williams got the car back on August 7, and it was retuned to the shop the next morning (August 8), still refusing to start. A new estimate on repair costs was so expensive that Wayne's father refused to pay, and the family never again had access to the car. Meanwhile, Clifford Jones (No 13) was kidnapped on August 20 and Charles Stephens (No 15) on October 9, 1980. The defendant's family did not purchase the 1970 Chevrolet in question until October 21, 12 days after Stephen's death.
On February 27, 1982, Wayne Williams was convicted on two counts of murder and sentenced to consecutive life imprisonment terms. Two days later, the Atlanta "child murders" task force officially disbanded, announcing that 23 of 30 "list" cases were considered solved with his conviction, even though no charges had been filed. The other seven cases, still open, reverted to the normal homicide detail and remain unsolved to this day.
In November 1985, a new team of lawyers uncovered once-classified documents from an investigation of the Ku Klux Klan, conducted during 1980 and 1981 by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation. A spy inside the Klan told GBI agents that Klansmen were "killing the children" in Atlanta, hoping to provoke a race war. One Klansman in particular, Charles Sanders, allegedly boasted of murdering "List" victim Lubie Geter (No 18), following a personal altercation. Geter reportedly struck Sanders' car with a go-cart, prompting the Klansman to tell his friend, "I'm gonna kill him. I'm gonna choke the black bastard to death." (Geter was, in fact, strangled, some three months after the incident in question.) In early 1981, the same informant told GBI agents that "after twenty black-child killings, they, the Klan, were going to start killing black women." Perhaps coincidentally, police records note the unsolved murders of numerous black women in Atlanta in 1980-82, with most of the victims strangled. On July 10, 1998, Butts County Superior Court Judge Hal Craig rejected the latest appeal for a new trial in Williams' case, based on suppression of critical evidence 15 years earlier.
http://www.carpenoctem.tv/killers/williams.html.
Q & A
1- If Wayne Williams murdered all those children, why was he never charged with any of those crimes? Authorities claimed Williams was not tried because of the cost to taxpayers. That's Bullcrap. They didn't have convincing cases - that's why he was never tried.
2- How could Wayne Williams, aka Superman, leave evidence in a car that he was not in possession of until after the crime was committed?
3- Why didn't the police follow up on the five Clifford Jones (No 13) eyewitnesses, who, in sworn statements, called his killer a white man, who was later jailed in 1981 on charges of attempted rape and sodomy?
4- Why was nothing done about the 1991 court testimony by Billy Joe Whitaker, FBI informant, that Charles Sanders, a white KKK member, confessed that he had killed Lubie Geter (No 18)? Whitaker also quoted Sanders as saying the Klan would begin killing black women after 20 black children were killed. "Perhaps coincidentally, police records note the unsolved murders of numerous black women in Atlanta in 1980-82, with most of the victims strangled.
5- If Wayne Williams is a homosexual and a killer, a) why would he also kill women and girls, and b) why would he kill adult males? This theory is full of holes.
6- Why weren't the fingerprints, lifted from Pue's (No 19) dead body, compared with Wayne Williams, Charles Sanders & the white man, jailed in 1981 on charges of attempted rape and sodomy?
7- Were the adult men added to the case file so that Wayne Williams could be tried in the court of public opinion for the children also, without actually trying him in criminal court?
8- Why was Faye Yearby kept off the official list because a) she was female - so were Wilson (No 9) and Lenair (No 5) - and b) that she was too old at age 22 - Nathaniel Cater (No 29) was 27 years old?
9- Why in April 1981 didn't the FBI follow up with Roy Innis' witness to the Satanic cult (who passed two polygraph exams)? Because they were after Wayne Williams by then - their suspect of choice!
10- Why were different methods of murder all attributed to one individual, rather than to multiple suspects? Perhaps because the authorities had a perfect patsy, who in addition to other made-to-order qualities, was more importantly black, not white.
11- Did anyone notice that both Cater (No 29) and Payne (No 27), whom Wayne Williams was tried and convicted for killing, were both ex-convicts? I fail to see the connection between those two and any of the other 28 on the official list (mostly under 16 years of age)!
12- Are fibers unique? Can fibers be planted? The O J Simpson trial proved that evidence can be manipulated, even by policemen. O J would be, not only a killer, but the dumbest ex-jock on the face of the earth, if all the blood evidence found were left by him. Then, there was that matter of the pint of his blood in police custody! If it had been a white man on trial for allegedly killing his black wife, would a white jury have acquitted that white man once it became clear that black officers had tampered with the evidence? All you need, to acquit, is reasonable doubt.
13- The Wayne Williams jury were questioned after the guilty verdict. They said the fiber evidence had no effect upon their decision. What did have an effect was Wayne Williams' testimony. (Williams' defense attorney did not want him to testify; he insisted on taking the stand). After two days on the stand, Williams showed his temper - the jury didn't like him. Is that a good enough reason to sentence a man to two consecutive life terms in prison - because the jury didn't like him? Not all innocent people are likeable; and not all guilty people are monsters. Only in Western movies did the good guys wear only white hats; and the bad guys wore only black. Later on in Hollywood, Hopalong Cassidy wore a black outfit with his white hat; Lash Larue and Charles Starrett as "The Durango Kid" (good guys) wore not only black outfits but black hats too. If Hollywood could learn, maybe the American public can learn also.
Charles Starrett, Hollywood Good Guy/ as Durango Kid - no white hat!
Good Guy in all BLACK! Hallelujah!
The alleged motive for the Klan killing black children is the same motive that Charles Manson confessed to - namely, to start a race war. That conspiracy motive is more feasible than a lone black man, Wayne Williams, attempting to wipe out poor black youth in Atlanta because he was ashamed of them.
In conclusion, there is no way I could find Wayne Williams guilty of murdering anyone based upon the circumstantial evidence, the desperation demonstrated by white and black officials in Atlanta to NOT find a white suspect, the suppression of evidence which was exculpatory, the holes in the prosecution's theory, the incompatibility of evidence with facts.
Wayne Williams
I have no way of knowing whether Wayne Williams actually killed 27-year-old Nathaniel Cater and 21-year-old Jimmy Ray Payne. But the evidence is certainly not conclusive. As to whether or not he killed any of the children, even the Atlanta prosecution team knew they couldn't win that one. The travesty is that the real killers were allowed to escape punishment. Wayne Williams is still incarcerated.
It is a complete falsehood that murder ceased in Atlanta once Wayne Williams was incarcerated. Murder has never ceased in Atlanta or any other major American city.
One final note: juries usually do not know for a fact whether the defendant is "guilty" or not. Was Klaus von Bulow guilty? The jury's function is to determine whether the prosecution has made the case so that there is no reasonable doubt. The defense does not have to prove anything! They only have to show up. Americans are concerned with guilt or innocence. Judges and juries are concerned with reasonable doubt. When Solomon offered to split the disputed baby in half and give each woman, who claimed him, half; he had no 100% sure way of knowing that only one of the two women would offer to give up the baby. He took a calculated risk. What if both women had offered to give the baby up? That's the kind of enigma that judges and juries face.
Do I believe Wayne Williams is a homosexual? Yes! It was essential to blame these murders on a homosexual; public opinion would already be against such a person. But why would a homosexual kill girls?
Do I believe Wayne Williams killed the two adult men he was convicted of killing? Possibly.
Do I believe Wayne Williams killed children? Absolutely not! It makes no sense at all.
Who killed the children of Atlanta? Ku Klux Klansmen, that's who. Even Black Atlanta officials contributed to the coverup conspiracy to prevent a possible race war. They had it easy: a Black man and a homosexual! Who wouldn't believe Wayne Williams was guilty?
Wayne Williams today...So you think you can spot a murderer by his looks alone, huh?
Definitions (World Book Dictionary):
EXCULPATORY, adjective
that clears or tends to clear from blame; exculpating.
June 20, 2009, Addendum: Had the jury convicted OJ Simpson of murdering his wife, which it did NOT, would that prove him also guilty of murdering Jon Benet and Sharon Tate? Of course not!
If Wayne Williams is homosexual, that does not also make him a homosexual pedophile. And finally, if - and I did say, "if" - if Wayne Williams did actually murder the two men that he was convicted of murdering, that makes it even LESS LIKELY, not more likely, that he murdered any of the children.
Authorities in America rely on the Public buying into IRRATIONAL CONCLUSIONS such as "If a man is married, he is automatically not homosexual; if a man is single, he is automatically gay". Such conclusions are invalid if that is the sum total of your evidence.
"Straight married men do not molest minor girls, but homosexual single men do molest minor boys". Only fools could fail to see the illogic of those two combined conclusions as a singular Truth.
T.A.B.A.C.C.O. (Truth About Business And Congressional Crimes Organization)
PS Yes you are right, I do not believe that Lee Harvey Oswald had a hand in killing President John F. Kennedy; wait till you hear who, I think, did have his hand in it - it's a name you all know. But that is the subject of a future Blog article.
He's guilty by the evidence presented. He was found guilty by his peers of
8 blacks and 4 whites. There are innocent people in prison, Black and
White and Hispanic, Asian and Indian and so on. Sure he may not have been
guilty of the child murders but he wasn't convicted of those just the ones
he actually committed, the 2 adult males. The case may have gone cold and
therefore there are no other leads to follow. You can't spend tax payers’
money on nothing. If new evidence appears, like any other cold case, white
or black victims, it will be re-opened. A murderer can kill anyone, just
because he/she is gay doesn't mean he will not kill the opposite sex, it
just means he prefers relations with the same sex. Homosexuals also have
sex with the opposite sex; he can also kill the opposite sex. Believe it
or not, most whites and black get along pretty well. Only when there is a
crime committed, blacks think whites are conspiring against them. If more
blacks would take responsibility for their own actions, there would be less
racism for those that have a problem with it. Instead of looking at it
like Black against White why not look at it as we are all Americans. He
failed the polygraph, evidence found on the victims were found connected to
him, that’s how the system works for blacks or whites. Face it and let the
system work its thing, it may not be perfect but it’s better than what
other countries have. Be thankful instead of ungrateful!
Kat1965
Tobacco,
I understand your anger completely. Wayne Williams will be forever known as
"The Atlanta Children Murderer" sad as it is. I'm a white woman from the
south(Tennessee) and I hate it that all the racist BS dates back to the
south. I was a teen or preteen when Wayne Williams was arrested and I
remember it well. No we were not there in the courtroom but honestly when
is "nothing" "Politics or political in some way"??. I had my doubts then
and still do. Not ALL OF US IN THE SOUTH ARE RACIST OR BIGOTS OR
BITCHES......Well I may have been bitchy lol..but that lame joking aside I
did this is serious and i HATE that a man could be wasting away as there
are alot in Prison for something he didn't do. The King family believed
that James Earl Ray didn't kill Dr. Martin Luther King jr. and that he was
a patsy that died in prison and his life was ruined over something I
believe was our government wants to get rid of of anyone wanting peace. Dr.
King was killed on my birthday when I turned about 2yrs old and in my state
too. That saddened me later in life when I studied it and found out of
course. I watched the movie last night with James Belushi and Gregorey
Hines(sp? sorry) "Who killed Atlanta's Children" . I know he was never
indicted or convicted of killing any CHILDREN, but 2 males. I have no idea
how they could get the stigma of being labled the Atlanta Child Murderer, I
really wish I knew, but he did kill 2 men and for that I'm sure we both
agree he should do his time for that. I'm TOTALLY for Wayne Williams having
that stigma removed but we both know how our government works it will never
happen. It's not just in the south either I want people to get that out of
their heads about the KKK, I had 1 encounter with KKK members in my early
20's they were handing out pamphlets in their "sheets" and i said to one of
them I dont want that sh** stay away from my car and he came anyway and I
proceeded to curse him out and let him know I had biracial nieces and
nephews and proud of it and omg i said so much I can't remember it all but
he got the picture and walked to another car. My mom freaked out when I
told her what i did because she said "OMG ! You don't know who was under
the hood OMG they got your tag number !" and I said I told him to take off
the SHEET and the DUNCE Cap and let me see the real person omg! she started
freaking out again, now that I look back she had good reason to but at the
time I didn't care and still really don't, I said what i wanted to him, he
couldn't understand what the word "NO" meant and "don't come to my
{"bleeping"} car...I'm sure it was KKK related and Political for Wayne
Williams. Please don't refer to me as a bitch as I am not when I'm
passionate about a cause like this. Unfortunately if Wayne Williams was
ever released he would forever be known as the "Atlanta Child Murderer" .
Sad but true. But as you stated he did kill 2 men and needs to pay for that
i'm sure you agree, their families were ripped apart with their loved one
murdered, that is something that I know all too well. Let me assure you not
EVERYONE in the south is racist and i'm one of those people that are racist
or predjudice behind closed doors. I have 3 beautiful biracial nieces and 2
handsome biracial nephews and biracial great nephew and love them dearly as
i do my white niece and nephews. I just want to leave you with my point of
view and that if you knew me as others do , you'd know i'm far from racist,
i've always been that way and always will. I hope one day Wayne Williams
will get proven to not be the killer of the children of Atlanta, but i'm
not deluding myself and i'm sure you know what I mean.
God BLess, & Peace
Sherry:
I have just watched the film Altanta Child Murders....... My god if that it
is a true account of what happened then they have just given up on trying
to find out who was really behind it ...But I think they already know and
have buried it .. Children are Children whatever colour , it is an outrage
even after all this time if the people that did murder them are still free.
Wow you folks are really delusional and have been watching way too many
Oliver Stone flicks...trying reading "Outrage" and "Rewriting History" by
Vincent Bugliosi and you will learn that Lee Harvey Oswald did shoot JFK
and OJ did kill Nicole...as far as Wayne Williams is concerned it seemed to
me that the evidence against him for the adult murders was pretty
convincing as the carpet fibers found on the victims were an identical
match for that in the Williams household and only 1500 square feet of it
was ever produced. As for the child murders i did think any evidence was
ever produced to convince me of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. I would
like to know if the rate of kid murders during the time period for the same
demographic group was outside the statistical norms...Just be careful
because your "over the top" defense of Williams damages your credibility.
Mark:
I was just a teenager when these crimes were happening. What I remember
the most were the families, the grief that poured out of the tv sets, it
was heart breaking. I remember thinking that if the police had arrested
Wayne Williams, then he must have been the ONE. I have grown up since
then. I have watched the movies and programs on A and E and bio channels
and now think that there is no way that he committed all those crimes. I
have no doubts that the children were murdered by some one else. We will
probably never know if he killed the older victims, but I do not think the
he killed the children. Whether, he is homosexual is bedside the point.
Not all homosexuals are predators and not all whites are racist. These are
sterotypes that need to broken once and for all. There will never be
justice for those precious children and the families that loved them and
that is the biggest crime of all. Wayne Williams deserves a second chance
and with all the advancement in DNA and fiber technology; all these cases
need to re-opened and looked at with un-biased eyes. We must rememeber
that this would not have been the first time that someone used murder to
"start the race wars" Charles Manson sprinds to mind. Justice was not
done then and we must see that it is done now. Becuase this coiuld happen
to any of us. Unless you are fility rich, you can be found guilty and
probably will. All you have to do is watch these crime shows and know that
for the most part, they keep at until they manpilute the evidence to fit to
the way they "think" it happened. The truth be dammned. I do think that
the justice system is not the same for whites and Africian Americans. If
you are black and have to be tried, you are toast. The justice sysgtem
needs to be brought kicking and screaming into the 21st century. This is
just not about Wayne Williams, it is about all of us. If it can happen to
him, it can happen to all of us.
Shanan Sheppard:
Tabacco,
I totally agree with your reply about my comment. Once they lying begins,
there is no trust, no hope for anything the lie keeps snowballing..Wayne
Williams has been in my prayers and always will be, I do believe the KKK
had something to do with these poor children being murdered and watching
that program on tv just brought it home to me. Do you also agree his
punishment for killing 2 men is what it is? Try as anyone might but sadly
the stigma of being the "Atlanta Child Murderer" will never be taken from
him. No matter how much people want it and wish it. I wish it too..There
are always gonna be too many innocent people in prison and executed too.
All I can do is pray for them and also for the poor children of Atlanta we
lost to maniacs.
Sherry
Sherry:
"Shrevrondra Clunkins" (Obviously a phony name, but I respond anyway)
LAWRENCE bAKER:
Jeff:
Benjamin Harbor Jr.
Benjamin Harbor Jr.:
Tabacco - While I do agree that some things do not seem right, this doesn't
mean he didn't kill any kids, and at the same time it doesn't mean he did
kill any kids. I'm curious to know, how do you know it was white racists
that killed those kids?
antonioperez
The GBI claims it did do an investigation on the KKK before Williams was
convicted but found no substantial evidence. I don’t know how much truth
there is to this. All of the victims on the “List” matched at least two
criteria: 1)black, 2)male 3)children 4)killed by strangulation. Yearby’s
case may have some similarities with certain individual cases, but didn’t
in anyway fit the overall pattern. Most serial killers are white - the
reason authorities were looking for a black person in this particular case
is because they guessed the killer would be someone who could move
comfortable throughout that community without being noticed. I think what
tied Cater and Payne to the other murders was the carpet fibres (which
investigors say were extremely rare), the way they were murdered
(asphyxiation), and their bodies being disposed of the same way as some
more recent cases which were already considered connected. Plus, Payne was
small (5’1”) and therefore childlike in appearance. Besides, there were
already other adult victims which had been determined to be tied with the
child murders. I think what swayed the jury was that Williams seemed to
become another person on stand: someone who seemed capable of committing
these crimes. While murder didn’t by any means cease in Atlanta after
Williams was apprehended, there is some evidence that this particular
pattern did indeed cease.
Christopher:
I wasn't trying to put forward a "theory". I agree with you the prosecution
was full of holes, and there are other possible interpretations of the
evidence. I was simply trying to answer some of the questions you put
forward as to why the case was handled the way it was.
Just because he failed the polygraph doesnt mean the man is guilty. The
truth is there are still white supremist groups that still have a deep
rooted hatred toward African American's because of the color of thier skin.
I don't know if you heard, but as of relatively recently , individuals
affiliated with a white supremist group where plotting to kill our current
president at the DNC. These men were from Atlanta. They were also
threatening to go into African American schools and kill black students. As
I recall the story correctly, the schools they were plnning to kill at
where in Atlanta. The point is there has for a long time and still is a
very deep rooted hatred towards African American's that lingers in the
hearts of White supremist groups in Atlanta. This is inclusive of a story
where a 64 year African American man was beat down by racist caucasian cops
in Atlanta. I'm certainly not suggesting all white people are bad, I
personally know and read of one white man by the man of John Brown who was
hung during the slavery era simply because he was anti slavery. And, i am
also educated that it was white women who started the underground railroad
and assisted with the escape of many African's that were enslaved to
freedom. Knowing and truly understanding the evil some not all white
people have exemplified in the past, I feel it very plausible that Mr.
Williams could have easily passed the lie detector test and the truth was
concealed simply to railroad him. Also the hairs of a caucausian was found
on several of the murder scenes. This information was deleted from the
trail. Also there is sworn testimony from a white man who had affiliation
with one of the KKK members who openly admitted at one of there meetings he
was the one who killed the Geter boy. In fact they were killed at the hands
of at least 4 or 5 white men between the ages of 25 and 40. There is even
a composite of one of the men who was doing the killings of whom was
identified by an African American kid who says this man chased him home one
day from school and harrassed him at his home by looking through his
bedroom window. This info was dropped out of the court testimony also.
Coincidently the man the little boy identified was an ex convict who had a
facination with children and pornography and had been in prison for sodomy.
As far as blacks taking responsiblity for there own actions, this is true.
But white people especially who are in white supremists groups need to
really take reponsibility for the evil and pain they have implanted in
peoples minds of all races and the pain they have caused. I believe Wayne
Williams was railroaded even when it came to the lie detector test and he
did pass it. Oh yea, there was more than one vehicle in question on or
near the scenes where the children had been found murdered particularly a
green vehicle, in which one of the presumed KKK members were driving who
did the murders. And the murders went on for another 2 years thereafter
wayne Willaims was inprisoned . This time they killed more African amrican
females. Hence , this coincides with recordings of KKK members discussing
in thier secret meetings that once they killed the black boys, they would
start on the black females in so many words. i disagree there would be
less racism if black people took responsibility for there actions, because
its that some white people not all of them, tend to have it in thier blood
to be hateful and just want to run and dominate everything because of the
colors of skin. Racism manifested from there not from black people. But
none the less all races need to take responsibility for thier actions.
wayne williams was framed plain and simple. The fibers they found they
claimed matched to the fibers in his home where some of the same fibers
that were matched to the carpets in the vehicles that these men of the KKK
were driving while they were luring innocent children in thier cars and
killed them.
My last comment was for kat1965 only
I just recently learned of this case through a documentary on serial
killers... as soon as Williams' case was shown, I immediately knew there
was something not right about it.