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SHANGHAI COOPERATION ORGANIZATION/SCO - III of III: Want To Fight Russia & China In WW III? - Both Issue Belligerent Threats To US While Bush Makes Profits In Iraq & Facilitates China's Threats - RI10
SHANGHAI
COOPERATION
ORGANIZATION/
SCO - III of III:
Want To Fight
Russia & China In
WORLD WAR III? -
Both Issue
Belligerent Threats
To US While Bush
Makes Profits In
Iraq & Facilitates
China’s Threats! -
RI10
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/14/ldt.01.html
LOU DOBBS TONIGHT
Are China and Russia Real Threats for the U.S.?; Reversal of Policy on Licenses for Illegal Aliens; Gunman Opens Fire at Northern Illinois University
Aired February 14, 2008 - 19:00 ET
ANNOUNCER: This is LOU DOBBS TONIGHT, news, debate, and opinion for Thursday, February 14th. Live from New York, sitting in for Lou Dobbs, Kitty Pilgrim.
PILGRIM: Good evening, everybody.
Coming up, a new Cold War may be brewing as the Russian president makes a new threat at the West. We'll have a special report on that.
Overseas today, China and Russia, both taking a stand against the United States. Communist China said the United States should, "Give up its Cold-War thinking", after the Justice Department announced charges in two different cases of Chinese espionage in this country.
Meanwhile, Russian President, Vladimir Putin, threatened U.S. bases in Europe calling the U.S. Missile Defense Program, "A threat to Russia's national security".
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
PILGRIM: Vladimir Putin, today, threatening to target planned U.S. Missile Defense installations in Poland and the Czech Republic. In his last news conference, before presidential elections on March 2nd, Putin told a hall packed with hundreds of journalists he is not running for president again, but he has no problem with sharing power with Dmitry Medvedev, the man he calls, "The best person to succeed him".
Putin's vision of Russia under his direction is to counter U.S. power in the region.
GLEN HOWARD, THE JAMESTOWN FOUNDATION: The rhetoric has a specific aim. And this specific aim is to intimidate those countries bordering the former Soviet Union and that are aspiring to become members of NATO and that's what the United States needs to be concerned about.
PILGRIM: Last year, the U.S. National Intelligence Director, Michael McConnell said Chinese and Russian spies are stalking the United States at levels last seen in the Cold War. This week, four individuals were charged with selling sensitive technology to China. China is also in the middle of a massive military buildup, refusing to explain its intentions to U.S. officials.
JOHN TKACIK, THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION: China certainly seeks regional predominance in East Asia. And, Russia's most recent behavior indicates that they want to return to the -- a time when they had overwhelming influence in Eastern Europe and central EurAsia.
PILGRIM: China today, told the United States, to drop its Cold- War attitude. They called the charges of Chinese espionage, "complete fabrication".
(END VIDEOTAPE) PILGRIM: Now, strategic experts say Russia's strength has increased with revenues from their oil sales. China, of course, a global trade powerhouse, has the means to build up its military. Both countries have the will and the means to achieve their goals. Joining me now is Gordon Chang, one of the nation's foremost experts on China. And he says China and Russia, though not natural allies, have a lot to gain by working together against the interest of the United States.
And, Gordon, thanks for being with us. First, before they team up, lets talk one-on-one. China, basically, this posture about the espionage is just complete denial and dismissal. What do you make of this latest espionage case?
GORDON CHANG, AUTHOR, "COMING COLLAPSE OF CHINA": Well the most important thing about it is that China is following the Soviet pattern of putting their best agents, not in Washington or in New York, but in California, because that's where the high technology is. They're trying to steal it, not only for their military, but for their businesses as well.
So, this is a very important thing for us to talk about. They talk about Cold-War thinking, that's because they think they're in a Cold War. We don't, you know. We're just ignoring some blatantly unfriendly behavior. But they actually think that there is a global contest with us.
PILGRIM: The -- that -- the espionage, coupled with the military buildup, is an extraordinarily dangerous situation, isn't it?
CHANG: It certainly is. And this comes at the same time as these increased cyber attacks against, not only the United States, but Britain, France, Germany, Japan. This has been occurring especially since 2003. And the United States, while we're trying to counter it, is not saying anything in public. German Chancellor, Angela Merkel, went to Beijing late last year and told off the Chinese. It's high time for to us do the same thing.
PILGRIM: Yes. We are very polite. In fact, we took no response from our inquiries about the satellite -- test last year.
Let's talk about Russia. How much of this rhetoric from President Putin is posturing in advance of the presidential election?
CHANG: I think a little bit of it is. But he's very confident about the outcome. They've illuminated almost all the opposition --
PILGRIM: "Confident" is a euphemism.
CHANG: Yes. Putin isn't actually trying to sort of reassemble the Soviet empire. But he is trying to assert his will over what he calls the near abroad. And the problem is that there are young democracies there. Last year it was Georgia, this year he's threatening the Ukraine. This is a very bad development. The United States needs to do something about it.
PILGRIM: We have the United Nations talking about Kosovo, how much of -- and Russia, of course, opposes the U.S. and the Europeans on this issue. Is there a little bit of anger about Kosovo in this rhetoric too?
CHANG: Well, Putin has been very concerned. This is something that goes back for a number of years and here's one place where he's trying to make a stand. So, it's not just the Ukraine but it's Kosovo -- and there's all sorts of things that the Russians are doing, including buzzing our carrier groups. This is not a good development. Because this is really a return to sort of the Cold War tactics.
PILGRIM: Do you not find it disturbing, though, that so much aggressive action is being taken, the sort of games being played and these military maneuvers that are sort of quasi-aggressive, all over the globe, with China, with Russia and U.S. forces?
CHANG: Yes, and the one thing that the United States is not willing to acknowledge is the new found assertiveness of both Russia and China, which in many cases are working together, because they see their interests coincide. This is something, which we see in Iran and North Korea, the two greatest threats to the United States and the international community. And China and Russia are backing both of their nuclear ambitions.
PILGRIM: How much should we worry about China and Russia teaming up? I mean, they have not been traditional allies in any sense of the term.
CHANG: Yes, but in the last half decade, though, they had their treaty of friendship. They've started calling each other strategic partners. Now it's to the generation of friendship. They see themselves working together because they sort of view themselves as rising powers and they few us as the adversary.
And so, it's something of concern. And I think that the United States needs to start talking to both the Chinese and the Russians, not only in private, but in public as well.
PILGRIM: Thanks very much. Gordon Chang, as always, a great pleasure to have you on the broadcast.
Us: United States, Great Britain, Japan, Israel, France*, Germany*
Them: China, Russia, Korea, Iran, Iraq, Venezuela
* Pakistan, France, Germany & several other important world powers and nuclear members cannot be assigned to one side or the other at this time. France & Germany may switch sides when WWIII actually begins. Economic Interests, not Caucasian heritage, will decide the FINAL LINEUP, just as it did in WWII. Germany & Italy are Caucasian, but they were Axis, not Allied, Powers.
Mr. President, if your chosen career is breaking and entering, theft and murder, you may succeed in these criminal acts 99 times, but fail once and that career is at an end.
I do not wish to become the target of nuclear attacks in World War III at the hands of Russia and China simply because you and the other Neocons, who constitute your Regime, cannot get enough spoils through normal Capitalism schemes and must deploy Disaster Capitalism to satiate your insatiable greed!
If Democrats will not IMPEACH you and your cohort, Richard Cheney, then appealing to whatever is left of your honor, I beseech you, as an act of contrition and professed love for your country, Mr. President, please RESIGN TODAY!
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